Michelle Kopper (@givevoicetoyourvision) is a business strategist, a former actress and studio owner, and creator of several courses and programs on increasing your visibility online, finding your voice, and growing a successful expert-based business.
In this episode, Bobby speaks with Michelle about gaining confidence on camera, how to get visible and improve your online presence, infusing your marketing with authenticity and genuine passion so it resonates with your audience, and how Michelle is using live streams to connect with her audience quickly.
(01:00) – Introduction
(02:00) – Michelle’s Customer Journey
(03:00) – The Evolution of Michelle’s Approach to Visibility
(08:00) – Escaping Complexity
(09:00) – Creating Focus
(13:45) – Michelle Talks Facebook Groups & Why They Work
(19:00) – What Questions You Should Be Asking as You Grow
(24:00) – What’s Working Now for Michelle
(26:00) – Workshop Strategy
(28:30) – Business Brainstorming
Bobby: So first up, let’s tell the listeners a little bit about what you do and what your company does.
Michelle: I am the CEO, the Chief Expansion Officer at the inspired Voice Business Coaching, and we help coaches, healers, purpose led entrepreneurs and speakers to give voice to their vision, really claim their voice and clarify their message and call in clients. So we help you share your message with the world in a way that feels great to you and connects with your audience so they see you, hear you, and hire you.
Bobby: I love how dialed in that is.
Michelle: Yeah, It’s been a journey. right? It’s been a journey. So yeah, it feels good to say, and that’s really what I love to help, our clients and audience do, is to feel good sharing their message and, growing their business and making money.
Bobby: So kind of along with that being in the business realm yourself what is the overall journey that customers take going from like not knowing about your company to becoming raving fans, what does that look like?
Michelle: So we do a lot of visibility and I have dabbled in doing all the visibility. I call it scattershot visibility. Where I do podcasts and summits and giveaways and partner launches and, running some ads with your help and guidance. and sometimes I’m on stages at live events as well. So people usually hear me speaking about video, about messaging, how to find that confidence and clarity. And then we have a series of different gifts that they might get in order to come into my world and become a part of our email community. Then we often, bring people into my Facebook group, where we can have intimate real connection and provide real training and resources and then, always having people, have the opportunity to take it to the next level and then, we really help people to implement. So our focus on implementation. So that’s really the journey I think that people are taking with us. our email community and our Facebook group is really the path that they come to go from hearing about us. To, finding us to coming into our world and, and learning with us
Bobby: There’s so much to unpack there for sure. You had mentioned scattershot visibility and then different tactics you’re using. What was your initial approach and then how has that evolved over time?
Michelle: I had, a brick and mortar business for about 20 years in New York City, and then here, a performance studio. I helped people from Broadway to the boardroom to find their voice. And I was playing small and hiding out.I felt like I was doing everything I could to let people know about what I do. But I hit a plateau about 10 years ago where I was, I realized I was in my comfort zone in my teaching studio and I wanted to reach and serve more people. So that led me to exploring online, really for the first time. I thought that I couldn’t do what I do in the virtual world, because I had been doing so much in-person experiential work. And, so I jumped in. I followed divine guidance. I, opted into my first thing and it was a Deepak and Oprah 21 day meditation. And so, there I was on the Hay House email list, I had never done it before. I’d just not been in that world. And so I was then, through a series of their promotions, found other coaches, and I started to discover this world of online coaching.
And, when I first jumped in, I went from really holding myself back, feeling completely overwhelmed to like, okay, this is where I felt very guided. I’m gonna go big, right? So, so as I jumped in with some, right away, with a pretty high level mastermind with people who’d been doing this stuff for a while, and I tried to do everything.
I was like, okay, I need to do a masterclass and I need to create a course and I need to get JV partners the moving parts that were involved in all of those different things. I look back at it in this moment and I’m kind of amazed that I didn’t, you know, have a heart attackbut I learned, right?
I was just hungry to learn and I learned about marketing and I learned about funnels. And so the first thing that actually got traction for me about a year and a half in was that I found a mentor. I had invested in my own training and my own personal development, but the actual business growth I hadn’t invested in. So that was a level up for me. I had the guidance of a very brilliant mentor who helped me to create my first course, Make Videos That Sell. It’s beloved to my heart And, it helps a lot of people, so even today, the first in incarnation of that was back in 2016
So, that helped me to focus my message, it gave me a specific thing that I could kind of center around to become known for. I was really afraid of being reduced to the video girl. This was when, you know, video was just really exploding. It I was in TV commercials as an actress in New York, so everybody in my new mastermind world was like, you should be doing stuff on video.
And I was like, Ew, I don’t have a director or a cameraman or a copywriter, right? So I overcame that and evolved my own self and that ended up becoming Make Videos That Sell. But having that first course gave me something to hang my hat on. And then, as soon as I did that, like I said, I was gonna play big.
So I immediately got involved in building relationships with JV partners who would then promote that course and had an opportunity to do something called Shark Attack, where I got to pitch that course to 10 established big list coaches whose might promote it to their community and eight outta 10 of them did.
So, that was really how, I began my big list. So now, my big journey to grow the list and to have a business. but I had to do all this personal work in order to overcome that. Like pitching 10 people on Sta, I didn’t pitch ever anything that was creepy. My heart, you know, I think of the, the Grinch who stole Christmas and how his heart grew three sizes that day.
That’s what’s sitting in that moment, of being on stage in front of 300 people and 10 “sharks”, was for me. So for me, the personal expansion has gone hand in hand with the business growth. So that’s really the first things I did. But, you know, there’s a lot of moving parts with all of those things.
So when I say scattershot visibility, you know, I had that course and I tried to do everything. I immediately tried to have a presence on every social media platform. I tried to be on LinkedIn and Facebook and have a business page and have a Facebook group, and then I was like, I gotta do Instagram. And I was like, I should try to be doing YouTube.
And, and I was doing all of these things in many, many different directions, without a cohesive strategy, to your point, that was actually leading clients on a pathway where they hired me.
So that’s what scattershot visibility was, and it was exhausting. It was fun. I learned a lot, but I didn’t create the revenue that I needed to have a real business.
Bobby: Absolutely. I think so many listeners would understand that when you begin, there’s just so many shiny objects and you don’t really know who to listen to what’s going to work. And so I think a lot of of people connect with the struggle of I’m gonna do it all.
Michelle: Or you like you have to I think we feel like if I’m gonna do this, I’ve gotta really do this. And, there’s no mistakes, there’s no wrong way to do it. But I needed to simplify so that I was actually creating revenue in real time. It makes the business growth easier and the marketing better. And so today, I’m able to meet people that maybe haven’t tried everything yet, or in that mode of feeling like they have to try everything another course or another program.
That’s another part of scattershot visibility is when you’re like, I’m gonna get this course on challenges and I’m gonna get this course on building a webinar and I’m gonna get this course… I had a brilliant mentor who said, sometimes you go into a course or a program and you bring a question because you think I need to do a webinar, but no one asks you, Is now the time for you to do the webinar? Are you asking the right question and what does that webinar lead to?
So, being able to now simplify and streamline has really been our focus the last, almost five years now.
Bobby: One thing I want to dig into a little bit more from your scattershot days to being more focused now, what was that process like going from, I have to do all the things? How did you figure out what worked, what didn’t, and how did you narrow that down to the focus you have now?
Michelle: That’s a great question. Part of it is just doing a bunch of stuff, throwing some spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. I think for me, the fact that I was working so hard doing all the things I was supposed to be doing, but I didn’t have the cash flow that I needed. It was stop and start. It was, I don’t have enough to invest in the things I need in order to make more money.
I was hitting another, level of, surrender. Really. Like it can’t be this hard, I can’t keep going. And for me,early on there were some of those days where I was like, do I need to go find a job? I didn’t ever really have a job in my life. You know, I was a temp when I was an actress in New York for about five years. That’s how come I’m so good at PowerPoint these days. So there’s always a silver lining, but,my husband and I were both looking at like, how can we increase our income? So I really hit a bottom of this isn’t working. I have to do something different.
And that led me to someone who helped me really simplify the sales process. I needed to create a bunch of different offers in order to hone each of them. I mean, much of what I created then is still woven into what I’m doing today, but the marketing of it is more streamlined and dialed in.
So I had someone who was able to help me really, get the power of having all roads lead to Rome, right? Having, Having that one highest transformation offer and developed my skill in being able to have that conversation and,to articulate the value and understand how to create my content from that highest transformation offer backwards, so reverse engineering the business.I have had three or four really powerful mentors that have helped me to do that. Adam Urbanski helped me really hone in on that. So in the journey to be able to do that, the first thing I had to do was stop doing everything.
And it was a little bit like,pulling my, plug out of the socket cuz I realized that the adrenaline I call it adrenaline based business growth, where it was like everything was a crisis and I was using this pressure to try and do everything to, really earn it. That, that idea, I’ve gotta earn it, I’ve gotta work harder, I’m gonna make it happen.
And so hand in hand, the, the the practical thing that had to happen is I had to stop doing everything and start focusing on doing two or three things well. And that was scary cuz it felt like I was, you know, I’m not doing enough. I’ve gotta do more. Will it work?
So what I did, is, I, I got back into the kind of the truth of who I am and all that transformation work I’d been doing for so long. And I was like, what lights me up? What feels good. I had at that point already developed a confidence. Obviously, I’m a talker. I like to talk and teach and it’s easier for me. I channel and download and I can get out of my own way and really share value, and I’ve had some skill at how to do that in a way that people will resonate and can follow me.
So I knew that video and live streaming and interviews and podcasts like this one, are my sweet spot. They’re fun, they never feel hard. They never feel like a drudgery. I love doing it. I can’t wait to do it. I know it’s valuable. So really honing in on your superpower, like your sweet spot. And so for me, we usually tell people to pick three main things. I think you have to have email. That’s the only thing you own, really.
And you’re right into their personal lives that way. Even though we’re all bombarded with email, it’s required. And I think you have to have some sort of video presence. If you really wanna leverage your best business building assets, which is your voice, your face, your energetic presence, I call it.
And then pick one other. No more than one. And, not every social media platform, pick a lane, do that, grow that well. We have used Facebook groups because it’s, a way for us to build our own world. It’s our party. Come on in. Or get out if you don’t like it. Right? And so it’s really allowed me to build my own stage, my own platform. And it was key in me honing the message and developing the confidence and really seeing the value that I could bring and being able to give away my best stuff, but also have it work for the people who are really ready to take action and, invest in themselves to get their own business going and work with us.
Bobby: I want to focus on just the middle portion of that customer journey where they’re coming in to the Facebook group. Talk me through how you figured that out. How did you begin to implement Facebook groups and then what have you found works really well in terms of nurturing that relationship?
Michelle: So I think there’s different styles of Facebook groups. Some people wanna build like a 30,000, 50,000, 100,000 person community and that just doesn’t light me up. The way I started building my Facebook group was through challenges. I knew from my years of teaching performance and stage fright and confidence that in my little studio it I was easy for me to step into my leadership voice and to really bring value. So the Facebook group for me became this my sacred virtual circle, where we come into this safe space and I knew that I would grow in my confidence there.
So I used challenges, at the time five day challenges and JV partner relationships, in order to bring people into that group. It was really woven into the launch strategies that I was doing at the time of doing a challenge into a masterclass, into a course offering,If they’re resonating with the message, we want you to come to our party.
So at this point now, it’s a step in the journey from anything that we’re doing. We’re inviting people to come in there. Then we have in the last few years developed a pretty robust way of welcoming and engaging them and bringing them to a call right away if we can be of service, right? If they’re open to that.
Bobby: I love how you framed it as, you know, “join the party.”
Michelle: I think you have to be aligned with your marketing, whatever it is. It’s gotta be something that plays to the things that you feel the most confident about and have the most fun with. And then that’s gonna resonate in everything you do.
Our community is really about us providing value. I do a weekly training in there almost every week, and from there we start conversations and we’re really interested in, like, if you’re here and you wanna get these results and you wanna grow your business, find your voice, share your message, do that, then let’s work together. If you’re picking up what we’re putting down, then there’s a connection there. Let’s, let’s talk about it and see what makes sense.
And then you found that you start those conversations in the group, you build those relationships and then you take them into a direct message sort of thing
Yeah, there’s a couple of ways that we do that. We, have a, a pretty robust way of welcoming people and engaging with them in Messenger so that we can get them resources that they need that will serve them most.
And then once we’re talking to them in Messenger, we keep in touch and you know, that. The, it’s true that the easiest, best way we can help you is if we hop on a call and see if it makes sense, for you to work with us or to make a recommendation of what would make most sense for you next.
I think especially starting out in this space, you definitely feel, I did at least you feel hesitant to make offers and to pitch or anything like that. Even anything remotely like that, you have this very soft touch and I found that it works so much better when you just have the confidence in your offer and what you do and like, Hey, I know I can help you. This is the best way I can help you. If you’re interested, let’s go.
Yeah, this is what it is. Would that be of support? Let’s talk. And, that is the journey. That’s what we do is we help people find their own way. You know, we call them Inspired Invitations. So inspiration is something you receive, right? It’s not something you do or you get. It’s really something you allow. And when you know how to ask questions and be curious and engaged with people so that it’s almost awkward if you don’t say, you know, that’s what we do. Do you wanna have a quick call with no pressure? So, yeah, and that’s been my journey as well. You know, feeling weird about it, feeling self-conscious about it. Again, the personal growth is the business growth there.
Bobby: And also I’ll tell you, even though you are a brilliant digital marketer, that a lot of people would rather have that page and that button do the selling for them. And I certainly felt like I had to have the digital assets converting and do the selling for me, partly because I didn’t wanna. I didn’t wanna be like, this is a really cool thing and we help people for real. cuz I was like, is it? And I don’t know. And they’re gonna judge me and they’re gonna think I’m weird and it’s too salesy and pushy and gross and ugh, all that stuff. So it would be awesome if you could just make those digital assets out of the gate, go. And I’m sure some people do, but I know that they probably have a lot of capital to invest in that journey.
Michelle: And what I have experienced is that by showing up in my content and doing this live and hosting and making the offers and creating the courses and the transformation through implementation, that now my digital assets are starting to have a little more game,they’re starting to work better and be able to convert better.
And what has always worked for me is a high level mentor and community of other people that are maybe just a little bit or at the same spot or even way ahead of me so that I can see stuff that’s possible and know what questions to ask. and then, the next step absolutely for me is honing in embracing that sales process and that the enrollment conversation is a sacred moment for them and for you, and if you’re avoiding it, it’s a disservice to you both.
Bobby: I would love to dig into one of the things you said there. What are the questions that you should be asking along the way?
Michelle: At first I really didn’t know what to ask, so I didn’t ask anything. I was like, I’m gonna just watch and listen to every, I’m very smart. I’ve been doing that my whole life. That’s my survival skill, right? LikeI’m gonna filter everything and then I’m gonna go do this, But I tend to try and do everything at once. So I think if I knew then what I know now, I would probably focus more on the sales process itself. It wasn’t something I was even thinking about. I was thinking visibility, clients, messaging, but I wasn’t thinking sales process cuz frankly I didn’t want to, ew. I was gonna do these things and then the sales were gonna happen.The magical sales, I was gonna just be me and the sales were gonna happen. And for me, being me was a journey. I’m an extroverted introvert. So, I would hone in on understanding even the question that you’re raising to me, the client journey.
First you gotta know what you wanna say. And you gotta be true to that And that’s where we’re like, oh, I’m not saying it right. And I have to say it in these other weird marketing words that the people will, and I don’t get it. And it feels fake. So how do you really own what you wanna say and then learn how to say it in a way that they see you hear you and hire you.
So, I did a lot of that and it was all good paving the way, but if I had, understood at the time that I was really avoiding that or feeling… at the same time I wasn’t. My first mentor was like, there’s clients everywhere. You should be charging a thousand dollars a month, 10,000 full pay for a year. And so I went out there and I had 40 conversations, and I went from charging $150 a month for 12 hours of training to a thousand dollars a month for three hours of one-on-one coaching.
And I had a lot to learn in that sales process. 40 conversations, one client,And so that was the beginning of my journey and I don’t really have any regrets cuz I’ve learned so much along the way.
But what questions… Do I need this now? What is the simplest path for me to get the fastest revenue results, because the revenue is a sign that I’m lined up with the universe cooking with gas in my sweet spot And
Bobby: another question that I would ask, and we ask this in my frequency factor masterclass, is how much income do I want to have the business that I want? To design my business rather than from this lens of like, I gotta get more clients, but instead of, I gotta get more clients. And if I get a hundred clients to pay me a thousand dollars… it’s not that easy to get a hundred clients. It’s a lot of work. it’s great and doable. But I would’ve said like, how much revenue do I really need in order to have the business that I want?
Michelle: So that’s one of the things that we break down this idea of six figures. I talk about it cuz people want it and it sounds good and I wanted it too. I worked my ass off for that first six figures and it wasn’t really enough to have the business that I wanted. Because I had to invest a lot of it. I had infrastructure to build. I only brought maybe $20,000 home out of that first hundred thousand dollars, and that wasn’t what I was working so hard for. So another question I would ask is, how much revenue do I need to create for my business to have the investment that I want for mentoring and, you know, marketing guy. God, I wanted a marketing guy so bad. I don’t ever wanna look at the back end of Facebook ever. I spent long hours trying to figure it out and I just wanted to go cry. So yeah, reverse engineer your business. Think about how much revenue you really need. And I believe that even for the “solopreneur” (it’s a myth, don’t do it),that $250K is a reasonable amount of revenue to create a nice cooking along, coaching or healing business because then you’ll have enough support so that you’re not lost in the details and you can really be out there and be the voice of your business and doing the work that you love.
Bobby: Those are really good questions Yeah. If you hate the tech, simplify and grow as fast as possible and get yourself out of that.
Michelle: I really thought I had to have a lot of complicated tech and one of my first mentors, I worked for her, as a director of coaching and training for a while, Alina Vincent, and She’s brilliant. Shehelped the college design courses and bring the courses online.
So I’m so glad that I learned to create my courses from her. But I went down a bit of a rabbit hole for myself in terms of managing and learning all of that. And I have since met multi-million dollar coaches who are getting it done with Google Docs and an email list. And that’s hard to believewhen you’re just getting started and you wanna be bonafide and, you know, people are gonna judge you based on that X, Y, Z, but that whole people are gonna judge you thing is what keeps us all hiding anyway.
Bobby: I would like to frame the rest of this conversation from the perspective of where you are now, the more mature business that’s gotten to a good revenue level and things like that. What’s a marketing tactic, approach, strategy, that is working really well for you right now?
Michelle: I’m in love with our frequency Factor masterclass right now. So finding a class that’s really, serving and giving people these really important breakthroughs specifically on what we’re talking about this like how can you simplify it and how can you design it to be what you want it to be? and having that lead to calls.Having a class that’s really getting people clear and excited about talking to us That’s probably my favorite thing that we’re doing right now because I do love to talk to people, right? I used to coach for free, and so I know that we can really help people with that clarity, having people sign up to talk to us from that class. No strings attached, no pressure, but the right people then can find us and start working with us. and it’s a way for me to talk to people and uplift others and, you know, bring them into the, the real solution that they want if they’re ready.
But that’s what’s working for me really, really well, knowing how to have that sales conversation and being able to really connect with people and, know that they’re being uplifted in it. And then having the right people join us and get amazing results, you know.
Bobby: It’s so funny to me cuz back in in 2015 I was learning about webinars and it’s funny to me that eight years later, here they are, masterclass is still working super well to a call.
Michelle: Yeah, and it felt impossible to me. I tried it, thousands of times. And I always had great classes, but the mechanism for people taking that next step, was elusive for me.People were left full and that was good, but they also weren’t able to implement and get the longer transformation and growth that they really wanted.
You know, the other thing that’s working, Bobby, we’re using it in our Facebook group too, is to just bring people into the Zoom room and give theman interactive, workshop an insight so that they can simplify and clarify and and move forward. We’re doing more and more of that in our Facebook group as well, so we can just really connect with people.
Bobby: Is there any interactive element or anything that you’re doing that’s really special in those workshops that you’re finding to work really well?
Michelle: People surprise themselves when you give them a really clear, simple exercise that they can actually do in real time, get the result, the takeaway.all of a sudden the complexity kind of melts away and they think “I can do this”. So, I love doing a workshop because first of all, it’s implementation. We don’t just spam you with tons of info. And it’s usually simpler than we think, even for people that are further along in their business, like having that aha moment can happen when you go back to basics.
So having like that one concrete exercise that’s gonna help them get a thing. And then the other thing we do, because I’m all about voice, when we do a workshop or we bring people in the zoom room from our group, is that we have them voicetheir aha and voice their takeaway, and go into a breakout room and hear other people. We often learn so much from the others what other people are doing, the identification of like, oh wow, they seem great, but they said they’re nervous too.
Or, people asking questions that you haven’t thought of yet. That community interaction and a moment to actually voice what you have discovered, I call that process transformative witnessing. So being able to be seen, be heard, and in your truth of it, that’s why I do what I do. And so those are the two things. A real tangible exercise and then we really ask everybody to give voice to something in every workshop.
Bobby: That really resonates with me because it’s not just business that we have goals and ambitions. You know, my wife has certain things that she’s super interested in, loves and has these goals set that I don’t fully know or so. But if you’re around people who have those same ambitions, with similar ambitions and just hearing that you’re not alone.
Michelle: It’s incredibly powerful. This is why the solopreneur thing is just not a fun way to go.We need encouragement and nourishment and inspiration as humans. And that is as important as whatever tactic, strategy or tool, it’s maybe more important than the tactic, strategy, or tool. So that’s my favorite part. That’s how I brought all of the ooey-gooey transformation work I’d been doing for so many years into business growth.
Bobby: We can move into the brainstorming section. So you’ve got the Fearless Facebook Live launch coming up.
Michelle: Rebranded to the Fearless Go Live Formula.
Bobby: So originally it was social media focused, right?
Michelle: It was really, Facebook Live was really one of the first live streaming things that took off TikTok didn’t exist. And YouTube felt like a bigger project, more of a commitment. I love YouTube. We’re gonna build our YouTube channel too. But, yeah, it was facebook focused.
Bobby: What about the change in the last two years, from all the short form?
Michelle: So we’re on a journey. The technology’s always gonna change the trends and the things are gonna change. What’s not gonna change is like the value of showing up and sharing your message in a concise way, having your heart in it, knowing how to have that sales process and being focused towards having a real business and creating revenue.
So we’ve got the Fearless Go Live launch is coming up. We’re doing it differently than we did in the past. We’ve done it with a challenge and I’m just streamlining that. We are using one of my favorite and most beloved gifts in that launch. I really love sharing the Fast Video Formula. It works well and people get a lot of value out of it. And then we’re coming right into a masterclass, into the sales page. But that’s also the beginning of things that we’ll be leading to later. So some of the bonuses that we’re building in for that are gonna bring people to an event and have an opportunity to do other things. So that’s in the works. What do you got for me?
Bobby: One of the most important exercisesis going for that message alignment. And so thinking about like, okay, so if we want to continue to promote your Fast Video Formula on the front end, that lead magnet that goes to the next step. And talking about how we can align that message to be really in that direct line so they go, oh, fast video. Oh, fearless go live. Like I need that.
Michelle: Through my own experience, live streaming is faster than video production. No matter how you slice it. If you’re gonna do a five minute video, you’re gonna spend two hours trying to get it recorded, and then you’re gonna spend even more editing it or pay somebody else to edit it.
So for me, fast video formula, the fastest form of video that you can do is to be able to hop on and go live. And so our masterclass will be the five steps to go live and get clients.
Bobby: You’ve got this big audience of coaches and experts and all those sorts of people who want to do video. They know how powerful video can be, and that’s who you’reattracting with that fast video formula.
Michelle: In my head, and correct me if I’m wrong, there’s this smaller circle of people who already know they want to go live and feel ready, or feel prepared and would resonate with that. So I wonder if there’s some way to bridge that, to help them connect the dot of it’s not as hard as I’m feeling, it’s not as scary. Is there some quick win you give them? I know that you’re onto something cuz I just got goosebumps so I’m like, yeah, thank you.Well, I do this when I’ve spoken and sold the program from stage is we’ll go live right there.
I’m like okay, so you just pick up your phone and we just do it. And I have slides, like step one, okay, do this. Find the button, everybody. Okay, good. And I’ve already prefaced that by helping them to create their first topic. So we do a little mini walkthrough of the Fast Video Formula to create a little template for themselves, and then we go live right on the spot. But I hadn’t thought of doing that in my masterclass That could be pretty fun. That’s a quick win. Oh crap. I did it. And then it’s like, now how do you do it consistently? How do you craft your message so that it actually leads to client signing up? How do you create a weekly go live success system? And and that’s what we would do in the course. So I love that idea.
What do you think?.
Bobby: I love it. So a little bit of self reveal here, but I was so nervous to send out the podcast interview request email, fretted about it, talked to my wife about it, all that… as soon as I sent the initial emails, all of a sudden I was like, I can start a YouTube channel, I can make go for years. And it’s like, you just do that one thing. You just do that one thing.
Michelle: And that’s the journey. That’s why I say your business growth is your spiritual growth or your personal growth, whichever floats your boat, because, It’s powerful. The fear of what could happen and how we might be perceived and not wanting to bother people or the kind of low opinion some of us have of ourselves.
Like, ah, I’m just little, oh me. And how that one action made you like, I love that. That’s it. That’s the transformation through implementation.
In my case, I sat on things for decades, so I think people who have been holding themselves back in any way, when they feel that momentum, it’s, I’m gonna just tell you Bobby, I think it just raises the energy of the whole world. Likethose courageous acts and then the momentum and the excitement and the aha and a look, and I could, and it could be this, that expansive moment. I really feel that it uplifts the whole world. It’s the butterfly effect, right?
Bobby: You know, even this conversation for some, they’re gonna listen to this conversation and they’re gonna have that expansive moment because they’re gonna think, oh, well if they did it, maybe I can too. Or, oh, I could do that. They’ll have that moment of clarity. And so use that as your own moment of clarity if you’re watching or listening, or if you’re in the audience of anyone, to know that that’s what you could be doing.
As we wrap up the time here, where can people find more about you? Where can they go? Where do you wanna send them?
Michelle: You can go to MichelleKopper.com and you can also just come and jump into the Power Up Your Presence community on Facebook, if you wanna jump in and play with us and learn and you’re growing a business and you wanna be seen and heard and hired, that’s the place where I spend time and we have the team in there helping people to get resources and move forward. And you can also just send me a note at email@example.com. We’re happy to talk with people. We love to hear from you and hear what you’re up to in the world. And if we can help, we wanna do that too.
Bobby: And is there anything else, any last notes you wanna leave with the listener before we end this?
Michelle: Whatever you’ve heard in this podcast conversation today. Pick one thing and take an action. Close your eyes, take a deep breath and think what does your heart’s desire, what would move you forward best now? And then do it. Take that inspired action and the world change just a little bit and you’ll be on your way.